STOP! for a moment.

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And read this mess of words.

REVISED a little bit because of what BrokenImages said. Don’t flame him, he may be a little bit harsh but that isn’t anything to get in a big fuss about. Especially since the person he’s criticizing (me) permits it.

Saph on Why Hacking is Pointless

random web page said: “One day a fisherman was lying on a beautiful beach, with his fishing pole propped up in the sand and his solitary line cast out into the sparkling blue surf. He was enjoying the warmth of the afternoon sun and the prospect of catching a fish.

About that time, a businessman came walking down the beach, trying to relieve some of the stress of his workday. He noticed the fisherman sitting on the beach and decided to find out why this fisherman was fishing instead of working harder to make a living for himself and his family.

“You aren’t going to catch many fish that way,” said the businessman to the fisherman, “you should be working rather than lying on the beach!”
The fisherman looked up at the businessman, smiled and replied, “And what will my reward be?”

“Well, you can get bigger nets and catch more fish!” was the businessman’s answer.
“And then what will my reward be?” asked the fisherman, still smiling.

The businessman replied, “You will make money and you’ll be able to buy a boat, which will then result in larger catches of fish!”
“And then what will my reward be?” asked the fisherman again.

The businessman was beginning to get a little irritated with the fisherman’s questions. “You can buy a bigger boat, and hire some people to work for you!” he said.
“And then what will my reward be?” repeated the fisherman.

The businessman was getting angry. “Don’t you understand? You can build up a fleet of fishing boats, sail all over the world, and let all your employees catch fish for you!”
Once again the fisherman asked, “And then what will my reward be?”

The businessman was red with rage and shouted at the fisherman, “Don’t you understand that you can become so rich that you will never have to work for your living again! You can spend all the rest of your days sitting on this beach, looking at the sunset. You won’t have a care in the world!”

The fisherman, still smiling, looked up and said, “And what do you think I’m doing right now?””

(Did you read it? If you didn’t, READ IT. Or I will be after you with my 78 ATK Rower.)

Watch what happens when I switch some words around:

sapphire8 said: “One day a newbie was training in Henesys Hunting Ground, with his hand on the Ctrl button and his chat bar open, whacking snails while chatting with friends. He was enjoying the game of MapleStory and the prospect of meeting someone new.

About that time, a 3rd job hacker came walking into the map, trying to relieve some of the stress of his training day. He noticed the newbie training on the snails and decided to find out why this newbie was legitly fighting instead of hacking to level faster and gain new skills and equipments.

“You aren’t going to gain much experience that way,” said the hacker to the newbie, “you should be levelling hard rather than wasting time killing these snails!”
The newbie looked up at the hacker, smiled and replied, “And what will my reward be?”

“Well, you can get stronger skills and kill more monsters!” was the hacker’s answer.
“And then what will my reward be?” asked the newbie, still smiling.

The hacker replied, “You will make money and you’ll be able to buy a new weapon, which will then result in larger amounts of experience!”
“And then what will my reward be?” asked the newbie again.

The hacker was beginning to get a little irritated with the newbie’s questions. “You can buy a higher levelled weapon, and train at stronger monsters!” he said.
“And then what will my reward be?” repeated the newbie.

The hacker was getting angry. “Don’t you understand? You can use the highest levelled weapons, master all your skills, and kill all the most powerful monsters!”
Once again the newbie asked, “And then what will my reward be?”

The hacker was red with rage and shouted at the newbie, “Don’t you understand that you can become so high levelled that you will never have to train and level again! You can spend all the rest of your days just fooling around in this hunting ground talking to friends, enjoying this game. You won’t have a care in the world!”

The newbie, still smiling, looked up and said, “And what do you think I’m doing right now?””

MMOTalers, consider this for a moment, and happy Mapling

EDIT: is it really that hard to understand?

I did not write the original fisherman one, and the snail one is simply the original, with a few different words.

So how come everyone’s saying “nicely written” and stuff? >_>

20 thoughts on “STOP! for a moment.”

  7. You juxtaposed the two rather creatively. However, creative only capitulates a certain audience; the truth is, your juxtaposition is rather unparalleled. You see, the initial story insists simplicity as a means of ultimate happiness; the man finds peace in the passive, reflective act of fishing. He does it as a means to offset society and to free himself from the shackles of the agenda suicide. In contrast, the latter protagonist is fighting to better himself, motivated by the “prospect of [leveling] up” (Sapphire8, 14). It can be safely assumed that the latter protagonist, complimented by his certain lack of a gregarious nature, strides to become stronger to fight stronger monsters, or at least to progress somewhat from his current social standing. This assumption is manifest perhaps due to an attempt to emulate the latter as close to the original as possible, accordingly reinforcing my initial statement of an incorrect juxtaposition, in addition to the fact that this “newbie was training in Henesys Hunting Ground, [sic] with his hand on the Ctrl button” (Sapphire8, 14). If the your story represented him as inadvertently killing snails while participating in idle conversations, then perhaps your latter statement would be justified; this alternative, however, would duly obliterate your juxtaposition, mooting the entire alluring aspect of your blog. But your story is what it is – that is, a representation of a training newbie. In your own words, your protagonist is training. The natural consequence of training is an increase in social standing, an effect quit undesirable for the man in the first story.

    In contrast to the two stories, your entire blog is actually mooted by an overwhelmingly obvious blunder, most specifically represented in your story: you never articulate the motivations of the hacker. Supposing he hacks to fight the strongest of monsters, what is made of your argument? Certainly, a hacker does not invest his time in the game achieving a notable level simply to kill snails – this offends all logic. In fact, you contradict the motives of the newbie, effectively confusing your meaning in the process; initially, you state the motive of the newbie as the “prospect of [leveling] up” (Sapphire8, 14). However, you betray this motive by implying a desire to simply kill snails all day. With such a confusion, one wonders what us MMOTalers should be “consider[ing . . . ] for a moment” (Sapphire8, 23). Are we to infer that the true meaning of Maple Story is to kill snails all day as the newbies do? If this is the case, which is what you are truly saying, as this would be the only recourse that moots hacking, than how do you justify consequences of this alleged meaning? And what response do you give to one who plays to kill stronger monsters? Are you to dispel their own personal motivation for the game?

    Just something to think about.

  8. I read all that, and now I think my blog is horrible T_T wahhhhh

    I spent like 3 minutes on it though >_> honestly, not much thought put into it.

  10. BrokenImages said: “You juxtaposed the two rather creatively. However, creative only capitulates a certain audience; the truth is, your juxtaposition is rather unparalleled. You see, the initial story insists simplicity as a means of ultimate happiness; the man finds peace in the passive, reflective act of fishing. He does it as a means to offset society and to free himself from the shackles of the agenda suicide. In contrast, the latter protagonist is fighting to better himself, motivated by the “prospect of [leveling] up” (Sapphire8, 14). It can be safely assumed that the latter protagonist, complimented by his certain lack of a gregarious nature, strides to become stronger to fight stronger monsters, or at least to progress somewhat from his current social standing. This assumption is manifest perhaps due to an attempt to emulate the latter as close to the original as possible, accordingly reinforcing my initial statement of an incorrect juxtaposition, in addition to the fact that this “newbie was training in Henesys Hunting Ground, [sic] with his hand on the Ctrl button” (Sapphire8, 14). If the your story represented him as inadvertently killing snails while participating in idle conversations, then perhaps your latter statement would be justified; this alternative, however, would duly obliterate your juxtaposition, mooting the entire alluring aspect of your blog. But your story is what it is – that is, a representation of a training newbie. In your own words, your protagonist is training. The natural consequence of training is an increase in social standing, an effect quit undesirable for the man in the first story.

    In contrast to the two stories, your entire blog is actually mooted by an overwhelmingly obvious blunder, most specifically represented in your story: you never articulate the motivations of the hacker. Supposing he hacks to fight the strongest of monsters, what is made of your argument? Certainly, a hacker does not invest his time in the game achieving a notable level simply to kill snails – this offends all logic. In fact, you contradict the motives of the newbie, effectively confusing your meaning in the process; initially, you state the motive of the newbie as the “prospect of [leveling] up” (Sapphire8, 14). However, you betray this motive by implying a desire to simply kill snails all day. With such a confusion, one wonders what us MMOTalers should be “consider[ing . . . ] for a moment” (Sapphire8, 23). Are we to infer that the true meaning of Maple Story is to kill snails all day as the newbies do? If this is the case, which is what you are truly saying, as this would be the only recourse that moots hacking, than how do you justify consequences of this alleged meaning? And what response do you give to one who plays to kill stronger monsters? Are you to dispel their own personal motivation for the game?

    Just something to think about.”

    Easier English plox.

  11. Quang just read

    “Are we to infer that the true meaning of Maple Story is to kill snails all day as the newbies do?”

    from the last paragraph, easiest english in it

  13. Fenrir said: “Lol.

    I read the mess of words!?

    OMG! Lol.”

    Like you said to me.

    BrokenImages said: ” Don’t you dare mock me!”

  14. BrokenImages said: “You juxtaposed the two rather creatively. However, creative only capitulates a certain audience; the truth is, your juxtaposition is rather unparalleled. You see, the initial story insists simplicity as a means of ultimate happiness; the man finds peace in the passive, reflective act of fishing. He does it as a means to offset society and to free himself from the shackles of the agenda suicide. In contrast, the latter protagonist is fighting to better himself, motivated by the “prospect of [leveling] up” (Sapphire8, 14). It can be safely assumed that the latter protagonist, complimented by his certain lack of a gregarious nature, strides to become stronger to fight stronger monsters, or at least to progress somewhat from his current social standing. This assumption is manifest perhaps due to an attempt to emulate the latter as close to the original as possible, accordingly reinforcing my initial statement of an incorrect juxtaposition, in addition to the fact that this “newbie was training in Henesys Hunting Ground, [sic] with his hand on the Ctrl button” (Sapphire8, 14). If the your story represented him as inadvertently killing snails while participating in idle conversations, then perhaps your latter statement would be justified; this alternative, however, would duly obliterate your juxtaposition, mooting the entire alluring aspect of your blog. But your story is what it is – that is, a representation of a training newbie. In your own words, your protagonist is training. The natural consequence of training is an increase in social standing, an effect quit undesirable for the man in the first story.

    In contrast to the two stories, your entire blog is actually mooted by an overwhelmingly obvious blunder, most specifically represented in your story: you never articulate the motivations of the hacker. Supposing he hacks to fight the strongest of monsters, what is made of your argument? Certainly, a hacker does not invest his time in the game achieving a notable level simply to kill snails – this offends all logic. In fact, you contradict the motives of the newbie, effectively confusing your meaning in the process; initially, you state the motive of the newbie as the “prospect of [leveling] up” (Sapphire8, 14). However, you betray this motive by implying a desire to simply kill snails all day. With such a confusion, one wonders what us MMOTalers should be “consider[ing . . . ] for a moment” (Sapphire8, 23). Are we to infer that the true meaning of Maple Story is to kill snails all day as the newbies do? If this is the case, which is what you are truly saying, as this would be the only recourse that moots hacking, than how do you justify consequences of this alleged meaning? And what response do you give to one who plays to kill stronger monsters? Are you to dispel their own personal motivation for the game?

    Just something to think about.”

    Easier English plox.

  16. I totally agree with Altar, the analogy is not properly described. His language is quite easy actually, just fish out the key words.

  18. if i understand what alter is saying:

    i think the point he’s trying to make is that you tried to compare (juxtapose) these 2 stories but the main problem is

    that they arent exactly equal

    they are similar to some extent but it’s like comparing Waffles to pop-tarts

    they are both tasty in their own different ways

    the first story’s point is: actually i dont get the first stories point honestly but i think its along the lines of all work. . . makes johnny a dull boy

    in comparison to the second story in the end they both reach the same goal anyway but the hacker just doesnt have as much fun

    great now i confused myself

    as if that wasnt bad enough i also strayed far from what i was saying

    god

    whatever

    waffles are better anyway

    edit: nevermind i was on the right track (csi is blasting on the TV behind me so i cant think straight -_-)

    but simply put they are unbalanced and the stories dont make the same point

  19. Waffle said: “they are similar to some extent but it’s like comparing Waffles to pop-tarts

    they are both tasty in their own different ways”

    See? I’m sure Alter put a crapload of thought into making his comment sound all pretty and intelligent (Of which, he did an amazing job of), and here comes our favourite Waffle to save the less-literate people (Or the lazy people) from having to read Alter’s post with a simple, yet effective (And humorous) summarization.

    What would we do without Mr. Waffle? (Sorry about the “Mr.”, I just thought it sounded fun-er with it)

    Oh yea, the blog >.<
    Frankly, I don’t really care if it “doesn’t make sense” or it “contradicts itself”. It’s more of a symbolic or contextually-interpreted story, which I found still does it’s job, if looked at with a less cynic eye. . .

  20. BrokenImages said: “You juxtaposed the two rather creatively. However, creative only capitulates a certain audience; the truth is, your juxtaposition is rather unparalleled. You see, the initial story insists simplicity as a means of ultimate happiness; the man finds peace in the passive, reflective act of fishing. He does it as a means to offset society and to free himself from the shackles of the agenda suicide. In contrast, the latter protagonist is fighting to better himself, motivated by the “prospect of [leveling] up” (Sapphire8, 14). It can be safely assumed that the latter protagonist, complimented by his certain lack of a gregarious nature, strides to become stronger to fight stronger monsters, or at least to progress somewhat from his current social standing. This assumption is manifest perhaps due to an attempt to emulate the latter as close to the original as possible, accordingly reinforcing my initial statement of an incorrect juxtaposition, in addition to the fact that this “newbie was training in Henesys Hunting Ground, [sic] with his hand on the Ctrl button” (Sapphire8, 14). If the your story represented him as inadvertently killing snails while participating in idle conversations, then perhaps your latter statement would be justified; this alternative, however, would duly obliterate your juxtaposition, mooting the entire alluring aspect of your blog. But your story is what it is – that is, a representation of a training newbie. In your own words, your protagonist is training. The natural consequence of training is an increase in social standing, an effect quit undesirable for the man in the first story.

    In contrast to the two stories, your entire blog is actually mooted by an overwhelmingly obvious blunder, most specifically represented in your story: you never articulate the motivations of the hacker. Supposing he hacks to fight the strongest of monsters, what is made of your argument? Certainly, a hacker does not invest his time in the game achieving a notable level simply to kill snails – this offends all logic. In fact, you contradict the motives of the newbie, effectively confusing your meaning in the process; initially, you state the motive of the newbie as the “prospect of [leveling] up” (Sapphire8, 14). However, you betray this motive by implying a desire to simply kill snails all day. With such a confusion, one wonders what us MMOTalers should be “consider[ing . . . ] for a moment” (Sapphire8, 23). Are we to infer that the true meaning of Maple Story is to kill snails all day as the newbies do? If this is the case, which is what you are truly saying, as this would be the only recourse that moots hacking, than how do you justify consequences of this alleged meaning? And what response do you give to one who plays to kill stronger monsters? Are you to dispel their own personal motivation for the game?

    Just something to think about.”

    Holy crap, I didn’t even read your comment brokenimages >.< so, LONG! I scanned it though o.o and why am i spamming o.o meh who cares ^^

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